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Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Ken Hartdegen Jun 23.

String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Ken Hartdegen Jun 18.

 

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Ken Hartdegen replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"The six course guitar is still a subject we know very little about. We need anything we can find, iconography, literature, whatever. I simply suggested that we should not disregard extant instruments when they are of the quality of the Romanillos…"
Jun 23
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"Thank you for this. However, I think you may have misunderstood my question: I'm not making a case either for or against fixed metal frets vis a vis tied frets on late eighteenth century Spanish six course guitars;  clearly both type of…"
Jun 23
Ken Hartdegen replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"The trouble with iconography is that it usually represents just one instance, perhaps using staging with an out of date instrument making it arguably equally unreliable. Why would it matter if Sanguino used frets in the late 1750s and beyond on big…"
Jun 23
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"Further to this,  the picture is now again up on the museum's website and can be studied in more detail. Unfortunately with the better digital copy it is evident that the marks on the rear of the neck might just as well be Goya's…"
Jun 22
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"Many thanks Ken, How do we know that the c.1768 Sanguino is in an 'unaltered pristine' condition?   Since if, as I suggest, a late eighteenth century six course guitar originally with tied frets was refretted with metal in the early…"
Jun 20
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"Dear Jelma. Excellent - many thanks. This certainly seems to depict a six course guitar (or at least a guitar with twelve pegs) with tied frets.  The date seems to be given at between 1797 - 1799. So this does, indeed, suggest that tied frets…"
Jun 20
Ken Hartdegen replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"Hi Martyn, I would love to... would you like to email first?"
Jun 18
Ken Hartdegen replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"I think we need to consider the Jose Luis Romanillos Sanguino c. 1768 guitar to be hard evidence for the use of graduated frets since it is, by my understanding, in an unaltered pristine condition. The other 1759 Sanguino seem to have the same fret…"
Jun 18
Jelma van Amersfoort replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar
"Goya. There is a high res version of this on the Rijksmuseum website. "
Jun 17
Martyn Hodgson posted a discussion

Types of frets on the eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar

All the comments I've read about the frets of these instruments assume that they had metal inset frets from the start (ie c. 1750-60).However, since in Spain we know that these instruments continued being played well into the nineteenth century (1830-40s), it is quite possible that the earliest of these instruments originally possessed tied frets (like the contemporary gallichon/mandora) and may then have generally been refretted with inset metal frets in the early nineteenth century (as common…See More
Jun 16
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"Thank you for this. Re. the Sanguino in the Museu de la Música, Barcelona, please see my earlier reply about this instrument. However, your comment about the Spanish Catholic chruch's response to the exlusion of harps by the…"
Jun 16
Ken Hartdegen replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"My only direct experience with the six course guitar is the spectacular 1768 six course Sanguino owned by Maestro Jose Luis Romanillos at El Centro de la Vihuela de Mano y la Guitarra Española. This is an absolutely spectacular example of…"
Jun 16
James Westbrook replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"I don't know about the stringing, but the short neck is not atypical. If I had the time, and I was home, I could send you photos of others, also one I owned, the size of a ukulele with 5-courses from 1790s and you can't tell me someone…"
Feb 25
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"Thank you for this. Well, I could easily turn this on its head and ask why you should think such an atypical guitar configuration for 1759 (ie 8 single strings, just 8 fret spaces on the neck, replacement head (and neck?), etc) is in its original…"
Feb 25
Jelma van Amersfoort replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"I think the Sanguino in Den Haag has 7 courses and is from 1759. What makes you think it has been shortened? I have not heard that theory before."
Feb 24
James Westbrook replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion String tension on late 18thC Spanish six course guitars
"Martin, re your comment: ' the Hague Gemeente Museum - no one surely thinks it was originally made as an eight string instrument, and with such a shortened neck too!)'. I for one, believes the neck was not shortened, but originally made…"
Feb 24

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At 19:28 on March 19, 2015, Monica Hall said…

Martyn - I sent you a couple of e-mails which you haven't replied to.  One was sent back by your SP - unable to deliver.   Do you know what the problem is?

 
 
 

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