"Thank you Monica - indeed digression has occurred.
To return to the original matter: I can report that I've now strung the old/new four course instrument with a high octave and a bass on the third course. One problem was that it was necessary…"
"The point about "Concerto vago" is that the 4-course instrument is not a 4-course guitar. It is a small 4-course lute. On the title page it is referred to as "chitarrino a quatro corde alla Napolitana". It is has a 4th between…"
"What tuning should be used for "conserto vago"? Apparently 0010 would be an F chord, but this is not the usual temple Nuevo or Temple viejo? Actually the 1 on the second string would not work with the open fourth string if tuned to Temple…"
"I think we have digressed from what was your original query - which if I understand it rightly was whether there is any evidence for octave stringing on the 3rd as well as the 4th course. You asked whether anyone had experience of using octave…"
"Thank you for these two messages Monica; - though I do wonder why you now adopt such a combative tone!
Regarding stringing of the four course guitar, you earlier said that ' I suppose that doesn't rule out the possiblilty that it…"
"You know very well why the chitarra italiana and chitarrino a quarto corde were probably small course lutes. The whole point of Meucci's article is that the term chitarra does not necessarily refer to a figure of eight shaped instrument. Like…"
"I don't think it does suggest anything of the sort. You are just reading into it your own preferences. As far as your original query is concerned the most likely arrangement for a 4-course guitar is with octave stringing on the 4th course. "
"Sorry - typos crept in! And the fuller 1589 source extract should read:
'Furono tutti gli terzetti cantanti e ballati da Vittoria Archilei, e Lucia Caccini, e Margherita, e sonavano Vittoria, e Lucia, una Chitarrina per uno, una alla Spagnola,…"
"Thank you Monica. Yes - I do generally agree. Though a few observations:
- By late I meant later than the first significant flower of intabulated sources for the four course instrument which we have from the mid 1500s.
- My view is that the…"
"Cerreto is not a late source. Millioni's 1631 book includes an alfabeto table for the 4-course chitarra italiana and the book "Concerto vago" includes music for lute and chitarrino a quarto corde. Both are probably small…"
"Yes possibly - though Cerreto is quite a lateish source for the instrument.
It may also have simply also been known as the chitarrino or, even more specifically, the 'chitarrino alla Napolettana' as required for the rispostas in…"
"Not immediately relevant but it is questionable whether Cerreto's instructions refer to the 4-course guitar. They may refer to the small 4-course lute - chitarra, mandora or whatever you wish to call it. (As per Meucci)."
Yes, it was the Dobson et als paper which first suggested that the Phalese instructions were a bit garbled and might incorporate some cittern instructions. However in the end, this paper didn't go as far as saying there…"
I can't recall the article, but I thought it had been shown by now that Phalese's instructions for the guitar are actually a poorly adapted version of his cittern tuning instructions -- an instrument which, at that time, had…"