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Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Martyn Hodgson 2 hours ago.

Sequence of publication of the 'Journal de musique étrangère pour la guitare ou lyre'.
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Gabriel Schebor Sep 21, 2016.

 

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Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"I agree with Monica that that 'the term "chitarra" in Italian does not necessarily refer to a figure of eight shaped instrument'  - but the point is that it might do.   The term does not always…"
2 hours ago
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Thank you Monica - indeed digression has occurred. To return to the original matter: I can report that I've now strung the old/new four course instrument with a high octave and a bass on the third course. One problem was that it was necessary…"
2 hours ago
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"The point about "Concerto vago" is that the 4-course instrument is not a 4-course guitar. It is a small 4-course lute. On the title page it is referred to as "chitarrino a quatro corde alla Napolitana". It is has a 4th between…"
5 hours ago
Juan Pablo Pira replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"What tuning should be used for "conserto vago"? Apparently 0010 would be an F chord, but this is not the usual temple Nuevo or Temple viejo? Actually the 1 on the second string would not work with the open fourth string if tuned to Temple…"
13 hours ago
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"I think we have digressed from what was your original query - which if I understand it rightly was whether there is any evidence for octave stringing on the 3rd as well as the 4th course.  You asked whether anyone had experience of using octave…"
Monday
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Thank you for these two messages Monica; - though I do wonder why you now adopt such a combative tone! Regarding stringing of the four course guitar, you earlier said that ' I suppose that doesn't rule out the possiblilty that it…"
Monday
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"You know very well why the chitarra italiana and chitarrino a quarto corde were probably small course lutes. The whole point of Meucci's article is that the term chitarra does not necessarily refer to a figure of eight shaped instrument. Like…"
Sunday
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"I don't think it does suggest anything of the sort. You are just reading into it your own preferences. As far as your original query is concerned the most likely arrangement for a 4-course guitar is with octave stringing on the 4th course. "
Sunday
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Sorry - typos crept in! And the fuller 1589 source extract should read: 'Furono tutti gli terzetti cantanti e ballati da Vittoria Archilei, e Lucia Caccini, e Margherita, e sonavano Vittoria, e Lucia, una Chitarrina per uno, una alla Spagnola,…"
Sunday
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Thank you Monica. Yes - I do generally agree.  Though a few observations: - By late I meant later than the first significant flower of intabulated sources for the four course instrument which we have from the mid 1500s. - My view is that the…"
Sunday
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Cerreto  is not a late source. Millioni's 1631 book includes an alfabeto table for the 4-course chitarra italiana and the book "Concerto vago" includes music for lute and chitarrino a quarto corde.  Both are probably small…"
Saturday
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Yes possibly - though Cerreto is quite a lateish source for the instrument.   It may also have simply also been known as the chitarrino or, even more specifically, the 'chitarrino alla Napolettana' as required for the rispostas in…"
Saturday
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Not immediately relevant but it is questionable whether Cerreto's instructions refer to the 4-course guitar. They may refer to the small 4-course lute - chitarra, mandora or whatever you wish to call it. (As per Meucci)."
Saturday
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Thanks Andrew. Yes, it was the Dobson et als paper which first suggested that the Phalese instructions were a bit garbled and might incorporate some cittern instructions.  However in the end, this paper didn't go as far as saying there…"
Saturday
Andrew Hartig replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Stringing of the early four course guitar (again......)
"Martyn, I can't recall the article, but I thought it had been shown by now that Phalese's instructions for the guitar are actually a poorly adapted version of his cittern tuning instructions -- an instrument which, at that time, had…"
Friday
Martyn Hodgson replied to Jean-Marie Poirier's discussion Latin Instructions for the "Guiterne" in Pierre Phalèse, 1570.
"Heartz's paper in the 1963 Galpin Society Journal"
Friday

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At 19:28 on March 19, 2015, Monica Hall said…

Martyn - I sent you a couple of e-mails which you haven't replied to.  One was sent back by your SP - unable to deliver.   Do you know what the problem is?

 
 
 

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