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Early six course Spanish guitar: fretting and stringing
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Martyn Hodgson on Monday.

Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Martyn Hodgson Dec 7, 2017.

 

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Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Early six course Spanish guitar: fretting and stringing
"Many thanks Monica, I had in mind Spanish six course instruments instruments from about the 1760/70s through to the end of the century  -  the peak, based on extant musical sources and instruments made, seems to be the…"
Monday
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Early six course Spanish guitar: fretting and stringing
"Not sure precisely what instruments you are referring to or the precise date  but in 1773 Vargas y Guzman says that although guitars usually have wire frets he has included information about how to place moveable frets in case any…"
Sunday
Martyn Hodgson posted a discussion

Early six course Spanish guitar: fretting and stringing

I would be grateful for any information on two aspects of the Spanish six (double) course  guitar introduced there in the second half of the eighteenth century and which continued to be played into the nineteenth:Fretting: - as far as I'm aware all extant instruments of this type have fixed metal frets on the neck but, of course, some could be replacements for earlier tied frets especially for the earliest of these instruments. Is there any evidence for the use of tied frets on these…See More
Sunday
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An early contradanza for six course Spanish guitar in an unusual (unique?) tuning

MS 3/209 in the Real Conservatoire Superior de Musica de Madrid (RCSMM) contains works for six course Spanish guitar dating from the later eighteenth century. All the pieces are in six line 'Italian' tablature but, as sometimes found in slightly earlier five course guitar music by Spanish musicians (such as Perez), with no flags and without regular barring. Here is a link to the RCSMM scan   …See More
Dec 29, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
"As mentioned earlier, I found Perez's flamboyant setting (in B-Bc 5.615) of the popular Marizapalos particularly intriguing (more florid in places than other surviving settings such as those by Guerau, Sanz, de Murcia and preserved in the…"
Dec 7, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Christopher Davies's discussion help with label on my 19th century guitar
"Jalovec's  indispensable  'Encyclopedia of violin- makers'  gives Benoit Fleury's dates as 1751 - 1791 ( no other suitable Fleury candidates are listed) but it also shows a specimen of his label  (seemingly…"
Nov 29, 2017
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
"I'll be interested to see what you come up with and compare it with my version. To whet your appetite I have attached the piece from the Catalan ms."
Nov 27, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
"Thanks Monica. In that case I might draft a 'decoded' realisation of the Passacaille since I'm intrigued by the unusual setting. Martyn"
Nov 27, 2017
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
"Just for the record       BLc.Ms.245      Ms.S5615         Ms.II.5551D                    Gigue [M.Perez]              p.17                p.105               …"
Nov 23, 2017
Monica Hall replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
"The pieces were originally included in an earlier manuscript copied by Castillion - B-Lc Ms. 245 in about 1706. This ms. includes one additional pieces by Perez - with the title "Air". In the introduction to the later ms. Castillion says…"
Nov 22, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Martyn Hodgson's discussion Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729
"PS. Further to this:  I forgot to mention that the peculiar seeming writing may also be to do with ornaments being fully written out - or attempted to be - rather than the more usual shorthand signs. MH"
Nov 22, 2017
Martyn Hodgson posted a discussion

Perez works found in Recueil des pieces de guitare 1729

Has anybody decoded the intriguing works by Perez in this MS collection copied by Castillion (Bibliotheque du Conservatoire Royale Musique  Brussels Cote 5.615)? The fullest version of the various attributions of various works in the collection to Perez  is against a piece (page 102) 'Passacaille dite Marizapalos' and gives 'par D. Michel Perez /de Zavala Espagnol/1690)'.  A good note on the MS by Monica Hall is here…See More
Nov 21, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Feiga Siedler's discussion Info about Vihuela Chambure
"Dear Carlos, Thank you for this.  Yes - I agree with much of what you write and, in particular, about the peculiar and, to my mind, unattractive (truncated/squashed) body shape profile of E.0748 (the Chambure instrument) - but, as you also…"
Nov 19, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Feiga Siedler's discussion Info about Vihuela Chambure
"Dear Carlos, Thank you for this and your view that the instrument in question may have been built as late as 1600. However the use of much aged wood by the maker working even after this date cannot be ruled out - indeed, your own view suggests…"
Nov 14, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Feiga Siedler's discussion Info about Vihuela Chambure
"Thanks for Carlos - it certainly reinforces the view some of us first put forward many years ago (including the late Donald Gill, as well as myself) that we need to question the assumption that the instrument (E.0748) was constructed in the…"
Nov 13, 2017
Martyn Hodgson replied to Feiga Siedler's discussion Info about Vihuela Chambure
"Many thanks for this Monica. It's interesting you mention that in an article Gonzales says that there's some doubt about the authenticity of the instrument.  Others  also raised similar concerns - sometimes also around the…"
Nov 11, 2017

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At 19:28 on March 19, 2015, Monica Hall said…

Martyn - I sent you a couple of e-mails which you haven't replied to.  One was sent back by your SP - unable to deliver.   Do you know what the problem is?

 
 
 

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