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Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
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In his Livre de guittarre (Paris, 1682), Robert de Visée has provided treble and bass parts to some of the movements of the guitar suites, including the very popular one in d minor.On page 114 of The…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Monica Hall Feb 6, 2015.

Lutes and vihuelas made by Stephen Barber

I would be very pleased to hear from any member who has bought a lute or vihuela from Stephen Barber and has experienced problems with it. You may prefer to contact me at my e-mail address:…Continue

Started Nov 20, 2014

right hand nails
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.I am a classical guitarist who also wants to play the lute and vihuela. I have developed a right hand technique where I play on the left hand side of the nail (looking from the back of the hand) for…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Martin McD Jul 20, 2010.

 

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Monica Hall replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"Well - they are the least useful of all these exercises.   Carre was a dilettante - most of his music is cribbed from other people - mostly Corbetta."
Feb 6, 2015
Monica Hall replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"Interesting thought.  No way of knowing how unusual the theorboed guitar was since Granata is the only person to have printed music for it.   As Granata was employed as a supernummary theorbo player he may well have used his…"
Feb 6, 2015
Monica Hall replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"Carre's book was certainly not printed as late as 1720.  It is undated but as it is dedicated to Lady Mary - the elder daughter of our James II - whilst she was still Princesse d'Orange it must have been printed between 1677 when she…"
Feb 6, 2015
Monica Hall replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"Carre's instructions about accompanying a bass line aren't terribly helpful.  "
Feb 6, 2015
Monica Hall replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"It is not clear in any of these sources whether the parts are intended to be played altogether or whether they are alternatives.   I don't think doubling the treble with flute/violin or guitar would be very effective...but I have…"
Feb 6, 2015
Rocky Mjos replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"In addition to Stuart's examples there are also the 'pieces du consort' by Anthoine Carre (Paris  c.1720) for dessus, basse and two guitars. The Dessus part doubles the top line of the first guitar part. Some of Granata's…"
Feb 6, 2015
Monica Hall replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"I think you could realize the continuo part with guitar.  A suitable model might be the continuo excercises and consort pieces  in Grenerin's  Livre de guitarre which is contemporary with De Visee.  Indeed they probably knew…"
Feb 5, 2015
Steve Walter replied to Steve Walter's discussion Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites
"Thanks very much for getting back to me, Stuart. Since I posted the discussion, I have been listening to a recording of Robert de Visee suites on Spotify called Musique de la Chambre du Roy. They are played on recorder, flute, theorbo…"
Feb 4, 2015
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Robert de Visée Trio arrangement of guitar suites

In his Livre de guittarre (Paris, 1682), Robert de Visée has provided treble and bass parts to some of the movements of the guitar suites, including the very popular one in d minor.On page 114 of The Guitar and its Music written by James Tyler and Paul Sparks, there is the statement that where the parts have been provided the music can be played as a trio arrangement presumably with a flute, recorder or violin on the treble and cello or viol on the bass. Tyler and Sparks suggest the guitar…See More
Jan 31, 2015
Monica Hall left a comment for Steve Walter
"That's a good question.  Sanz describes slurs - which he calls extrasino in Regla septima and he refers to this and the three other ornaments - trino, mordente and temblor as being the most common ones used in Italian…"
Jan 28, 2015
Steve Walter posted a discussion

Lutes and vihuelas made by Stephen Barber

I would be very pleased to hear from any member who has bought a lute or vihuela from Stephen Barber and has experienced problems with it. You may prefer to contact me at my e-mail address: steve@rosafresca.co.ukSee More
Nov 20, 2014
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Nov 20, 2014
Jelma van Amersfoort replied to Steve Walter's discussion right hand nails
"Hello Steve, I play lute, theorbo, 19th century guitars and modern classical guitar, all without using my nails, for about 10 or 12 years now. I don't consciously change my RH technique much for different instruments. Though I may play a bit…"
Jul 20, 2010
Valéry Sauvage replied to Steve Walter's discussion right hand nails
"I'm playing lute, renaissance guitar, baroque guitar and romantic guitar, all instruments without nails at all... (but not really modern classical. On romantic guitar it is possible to play without nails as Carcassi, Sor (and also Tarrega) did,…"
Jul 19, 2010
Scot Tremblay replied to Steve Walter's discussion right hand nails
"Hi Steve, I'm a long time classical guitarist that fairly recently came back to Renaissance lute after many years. I didn't have as much of a problem with my right hand position as I was expecting. My early instructor was a Spainish…"
Jul 18, 2010
Steve Walter posted a discussion

right hand nails

.I am a classical guitarist who also wants to play the lute and vihuela. I have developed a right hand technique where I play on the left hand side of the nail (looking from the back of the hand) for the classical guitar, and on the right hand side for lute and vihuela. The right hand side of the nail is chamfered so I get more flesh contact between finger and string. I also use a different wrist position for classical guitar and lute/vihuela. I use the same amount of thumb nail contact for all…See More
Jul 18, 2010

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About me:
I started my musical life as a classical guitarist and taught the instrument for about 12 years during the 1980's. I have always had a particular interest in early Spanish music and purchased a vihuela made by Nick Blishen in 1997. It was also during this year that I formed an early music group called Tamburrini specialising in vocal and instrumental music of Renaissance Spain. In 2000, I purchased a second vihuela from Nick. Tamburrini disbanded after 10 years of performance in 2007 and produced a CD in 2002. Subsequently, I have bought an 8 course Renaissance lute and viola da mano from Stephen Barber and recently formed another group called Rosafresca which performs Elizabethan lute songs and instrumentals as well as the Spanish repertoire. My most recent acquisitions are a vihuela and baroque guitar made for me by Alexander Batov.
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At 16:21 on January 28, 2015, Monica Hall said…

That's a good question.  Sanz describes slurs - which he calls extrasino in Regla septima and he refers to this and the three other ornaments - trino, mordente and temblor as being the most common ones used in Italian tablature.   He does also say that ornaments can be added ad lib even when not notated.  As extrasinos are ornaments presumably they could be added even when not indicated.  However as far as his own music it concerned I think it might not be very appropriate to use slurs in the short Spanish pieces where it is important to articulate the separate notes in  the melodic line evenly. The thing about slurs is that they often cover irregular groups of notes creating a very characteristic effect which is often intentional with the stress falling in unexpected places.   It's all about rhythm and articulation I suppose.  I wonder what other people think.

At 0:22 on July 10, 2010, Rocky Mjos said…
Welcome to the network, Steve! -- R
 
 
 

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