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Castro de Gistau. Journal de musique
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Jelma van Amersfoort Nov. 30, 2009.

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Started this discussion. Last reply by Martin McDowell Sep. 10, 2009.

 

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This week's 'Composer of the Week' programme on BBC Radio 3 (broadcast daily) is titled 'Spanish Baroque' and plenty interesting for this site's members I'm sure.
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Well Valery, I've been considering your radical suggestion... such might be possible, although slight adjustments would be needed. For myself, I now find I've been sent off in the opposite direction. I succumbed to temptation yesterday and removed…
December 30, 2009
You can even play it on a single re-entrant tuned instrument ;-)
December 18, 2009
December 18, 2009
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December 18, 2009
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December 17, 2009
Forgive me Monica, I must indeed have been muddling Briceno with Amat and I'm not really about to try going re-entrant on my 4course guitar anyway ... but if I was to try it one day (unlikely), I believe such tuning existed in Italy - my use of the…
December 17, 2009
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December 16, 2009
this is devastating news... what about renaissance guitar with re-entrant tuning? ... I do believe re-entrant tuning for the 4 course guitar was popular in 16th century Italy, and didn't Briceno mention something about his chord system being also u…
December 14, 2009
well now I've made a combined pdf of the Ouverture and Tombeau, set to modern guitar, I find some bars towards the end of the Tombeau need to be played with particular care regarding note emphasis in order to make sense, but I don't think this is du…
December 13, 2009
I don't know of any regular notation versions... One has to just start writing it out and see how it looks. I'm sure it gets easy with practice. It's much better to write it out in regular guitar notation first - easier to check over for mistakes, a…
December 11, 2009
December 10, 2009
December 10, 2009
December 9, 2009
Ooooh... the Beethoven is great too! I'll have to find an opportunity to play these somewhere! Lovely :-)
November 30, 2009
Yes I think you are right Jelma....it's all a bit confusing me with Castro publishing Sor in a journal, and Meissonnier publishing Sor in a journal.... it's true there are little details I was wanting to overlook, such as that Castro's title is 'Le…
November 29, 2009

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I've been dabbling with renaissance lute, cittern, and 4course guitar since 2001 thanks to the joys of instrument kits. Don't always follow instructions though... always the artistic licence. Not really the correct type of rose for a 4course git.... methinks I have a slightly medieval way with decoration. Feel quite proud...until I see all the pictures of beautifully built instruments that appear on this site!

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At 12:33pm on December 18, 2009, Monica Hall said…
Don't take too much notice of anything I say. A lot of it isn't meant to be taken very seriously but my sense of humour doesn't seem to travel very well! Love the pictures. Monica
At 11:43pm on December 10, 2009, Jelma van Amersfoort said…
Hello Martin, I change the colour frequently :-) In Spain, as far as I know, the six course guitar was the most current guitar from about 1780 to 1820. Early works by Sor and Castro and other contemporaries may well have been played on 6 course guitars. There are more references to be found to 6 course guitars, but I'd have to look that up. There are some original Spanish 6 course guitars to be found in museums, like the London Victoria and Albert, and the Paris Cité de la Musique (actually, a luthier friend once showed me a photograph of a French 6 course guitar by Petitjean, now that is even rarer).

As far as I know there is no professional musician playing this type of guitar and I am very tempted to be one of the first :-D

There is still a lot to be discovered about guitar history, and I think many classical guitar players have a very wrong or at least incomplete idea of the repertoire (sorry for my English).
At 9:57pm on October 9, 2009, James Tyler said…
Hi Martin,
I don't think it is likely that any more items will be seen from Chanterelle. The editor long ago sold his rights to Schott's and that publisher has shown no signs of any action for many years.

If you want to find out what is available in facsimile editions of early guitar music, you should go to the catalogs of OMI and check out their plucked instrument list at www.omifacsimiles.com. They carry the remainder of Chanterelle's output as well as the publications of all other facsimile publishers.
At 8:14pm on October 4, 2009, Fábio Vianna Peres said…
Hi Martin, thank you for pointing me out the Monica Hall's website. Lots of good stuff there!
At 8:44pm on September 18, 2009, Jelma van Amersfoort said…
Hi Martin, the words are more or less: "At night I don't rest, you're always there, in my heart and mind, you're the guilty one."
At 1:45am on September 9, 2009, Harlan Kemp said…
Hey Martin:
There is now a lot of info on the internet now on preparing and using Hide glue, but follow the manufacter of the glue's instructions. Pretty much standard for instruments is a 2:1 ratio mix glue granules to water.
Let that soak at room temp for a couple hours, allowing flakes absorb the moisture, and you get a tapioca looking glob, then heat to 145 F until this all dissolves down to a consistent liquid, and you have glue. Store in refridgerator.
Things I learned: I use distilled water, baby section at grocery store under a buck/ gallon. I sterilize that, 20 mins at a light (not rocking) boil and then keep in sterile mazon jars for later use.
I always store my glue in the refridgerator if I wish to use it over the three day life span. Each day take hot glue and put away.
I watch my temperature, NEVER letting that go above 155, otherwise toss the glue.
I make up small batches, a teaspoon usually is enough for a day or two.
I have started keeping the glue in the freezer for longer storage time, but not for immeadiate use, once thawed never refreeze. So far with good working results.
I make up 50 to 100 ml at a time, and store all of this in 5 to 10 ml tubelets (plastic) to place in the freezer. You could use sall syringes as well. I thaw 2 or 3 of these as needed, and can be used in no more than 4 days.
4 day old glue is no good, it will fail, it is just too old.
I use a reallllly expensive ($10-$12) cheese crock pot, Small thing at nearby stores, cooking departments. I add a meat thermometer to this. Add a rheostat if it doesn't have a temp control.
Dry glue in sealed can is good till Manufacter expiration date.
THe time invested in preparing the hide glue is worth the effort, especially when you set up for small batch work and freezing the smaller amounts.
I do not add Urea or other thoughtful addatives. Things that change the chemistry of the glue.
Later I will be making a web page, and showing how I make and implement hide glue and will post a link if allowed.
Go forth, get sticky, once you get used to using hide glue, you will swear by it. You may eat it but don't.
I hope this helps

Tim
At 9:25pm on August 29, 2009, Glenn Godsey said…
Thank you, Martin. It is nice to have a friend.
At 5:15pm on July 21, 2009, Jose Verdi said…
Hola, Martin:
Muy interesante y practica la inerpretación de los comentarios de Coste. El resultado tiene que ser altamente efectivo. Felicitaciones.
José Verdi
At 9:37pm on July 15, 2009, Jelma van Amersfoort said…
Hello Martin, thanks for the link! I'm going to have a look...
At 9:20am on July 14, 2009, Jelma van Amersfoort said…
Hello Martin, welcome here... I think it is a good thing to not always follow instructions. And that guitar rose looks attractive nevertheless. I did not know there were kits for renaissance guitar? Could you tell more about that?
 
 

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