Selling some viennese/german romantic guitars, mostly early 20th century - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-29T13:42:35Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/selling-some-viennese-german-romantic-guitars-mostly-early-20th?commentId=2111060%3AComment%3A82254&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDear Jelma,
I am aware of the…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-02-09:2111060:Comment:825502020-02-09T12:33:21.142ZEdgar Aichingerhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/EdgarAichinger
<p>Dear Jelma,</p>
<p>I am aware of the fact, the group description on the main page says "up to 1850".</p>
<p>Nevertheless I took the liberty to post here as I think these guitars are pretty similar to some of those earlier Biedermeier ones by Stauffer etc., so I thought someone might be interested in a cheaper instrument for a start or as backup.</p>
<p>There is a lively contemporary viennese music scene that relates to traditional Heurigenmusik (Schrammel etc.) and I happen to know a few of…</p>
<p>Dear Jelma,</p>
<p>I am aware of the fact, the group description on the main page says "up to 1850".</p>
<p>Nevertheless I took the liberty to post here as I think these guitars are pretty similar to some of those earlier Biedermeier ones by Stauffer etc., so I thought someone might be interested in a cheaper instrument for a start or as backup.</p>
<p>There is a lively contemporary viennese music scene that relates to traditional Heurigenmusik (Schrammel etc.) and I happen to know a few of these musicians. I plan to use these contacts and also put my announce on willhaben, a huge secondhand marketplace. But before going to a public marketplace I thought I should try to address players interested in just this sort of instrument.</p>
<p>Three of my guitars bear labels, and all of them refer to sellers rather than makers. Photos are attached:</p>
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<p>1. Josef Leopold Pick (rightmost on first picture)</p>
<p>This was the owner of a well established music shop in Vienna, better known for the technically enhanced accordions he built, played himself and wrote a school book for. This page has a very interesting obituary (in german): <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://starsingars.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/josef-leopold-pick-wahl-garser-ziehharmonika-pionier/" target="_blank">https://starsingars.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/josef-leopold-pick-wah...</a></p>
<p>If I remember well I read somewhere that the shop was carried on by his son for a decade or more, under the same name for the first few years, so that all this doesn't necessarily mean that the instrument I try to sell is from before 1917. The typography and artwork on the label look somewhat later to me, but that's a guess.</p>
<p>It definitely is one of the finest instruments out of those I sell, in very good condition, with rosewood fretboard, frets without signs of wear, simple binding and rosette typical for viennese origin, plain maple neck/sides/one-piece back, great action. well working original tuners with ivory buttons, no cracks in the top. Sounds clear and loud.</p>
<p>2. Spezial Musikinstrumentenhaus Wien, XVII Ottakringer Straße 94</p>
<p>I'm unable to find any trace of this shop, but I've been told that around 1900 this kind of guitars were mass-built in the suburbs, in semi-industrial ways, and branded later at the store.</p>
<p>This is the second instrument from right on the same picture, and has suffered severe damage before I found it. The bridge had been partially off, but a previous attempt to reglue it with some elastic clue had failed miserably. the lower bout was torn up by 5 cm as the binding was missing and the bar under the bridge had split. This was my first serious repair attempt about 20 years ago, I removed the bridge, reglued the bar as well as possible (unfortunately at the time I didn't know about fish glue so I chose PVA for this job) without taking it more apart, reglued the top, completed the missing binding, filled the cracks in the top and glued on a new bridge that's more like on a modern classical guitar. Then I sanded off the old oil varnish and put some linseed stand oil on it, which led to the dramatic redish matte finish it has (the colour got fainter since but still...)</p>
<p>Honestly I don't expect, and if there were interest I'd be very hesitating, to sell this guitar, it has a cheap beech or similar ebonized fretboard where the black stain is almost but not completely off now, and with all these weird modifications it will never pay the amount of work I put in it. But it's in very playable condition and sounds really well, a bit more mid-range and projective than the first one.</p>
<p>3. Karl Kratochwil, Wien II., Pazmanitengasse 25</p>
<p>Also no trace of this shop, except an occasional second hand Zither ad with the same name on label.</p>
<p>Mahogany fretboard, probably maple neck (greenish stain, high gloss varnish, flamed maple sides and one-piece back stained red, This one is in good overall condition but obviously from a later period, the bindings are probably made from celluloid. There was a tiny crack from bottom to bridge thaat I tried to fill with superglue, which left some traces that surely can be removed with a proper solvent.</p>
<p>Honestly I don't like the look of this guitar, and the action is a bit low at the bass side of the neck towards the body joint. So it would need a higher bridge saddle or a sort of neck reset or evening the frets from around 10th fret upwards, that I'm currently unable to carry out myself. I'd let this one go for a small amount, maybe around half of the 200 € minimum I mentioned above.</p>
<p>I'll comment on the other guitars too but, at a later point, this reply took me around 3 hours already.</p>
<p></p> Hello Edgar,
These are somewh…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-02-09:2111060:Comment:822542020-02-09T09:20:43.305ZJelma van Amersfoorthttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/JelmavanAmersfoort
<p>Hello Edgar,</p>
<p>These are somewhat outside the scope of this website, but maybe people are interested anyway. Maybe you could start out by giving the information that is on the labels, where available?</p>
<p>Hello Edgar,</p>
<p>These are somewhat outside the scope of this website, but maybe people are interested anyway. Maybe you could start out by giving the information that is on the labels, where available?</p> one more slightly blurred pic…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-02-06:2111060:Comment:826432020-02-06T12:03:17.243ZEdgar Aichingerhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/EdgarAichinger
<p>one more slightly blurred picture</p>
<p>one more slightly blurred picture</p>