Realisation of some eighteenth century Spanish six course guitar tablature - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-29T09:33:06Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/realisation-of-some-eighteenth-century-spanish-six-course-guitar?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes - the mandora is louder t…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-03-23:2111060:Comment:825842020-03-23T08:25:19.434ZMartyn Hodgsonhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MartynHodgson
<p>Yes - the mandora is louder than a 'baroque' lute - partly due to higher string tensions possible (since fewer courses) but also the use of overwound strings from the earliest (partly the reason I've previously suggested which allowed its invention in c. 1670). </p>
<p></p>
<p>My little Dales hamlet has only 8 houses so pretty self-isolating anyway but am able to pop out for walks onto the moor etc. But I am becoming careful about touching things when I go for a walk or unwrap delivered…</p>
<p>Yes - the mandora is louder than a 'baroque' lute - partly due to higher string tensions possible (since fewer courses) but also the use of overwound strings from the earliest (partly the reason I've previously suggested which allowed its invention in c. 1670). </p>
<p></p>
<p>My little Dales hamlet has only 8 houses so pretty self-isolating anyway but am able to pop out for walks onto the moor etc. But I am becoming careful about touching things when I go for a walk or unwrap delivered goods/newspaper etc. The recent selfish (if perhaps understandable) panic buying recently hasn't, of course, helped but I think in two weeks or so, delivery supply chains will be restored to something approaching normality so one will be able to freely order online. But what do I know?.......</p>
<p></p>
<p>Martyn</p> Thanks for this. I was able t…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-03-22:2111060:Comment:825822020-03-22T19:45:56.379ZMonica Hallhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MonicaHall
<p>Thanks for this. I was able to open the files and save them for further reference. I don't have a 6-course guitar but your realization looks very convincing. Thanks for the link to Zincke as well. I enjoyed listening to it. The mandora is quite a loud instrument - it can certainly hold its own with the violin and cello.I hope you are surviving in the wilds of Yorkshire. I have a friend lives in rural Suffolk and having some difficulty getting to the shops. I have been able to go out and…</p>
<p>Thanks for this. I was able to open the files and save them for further reference. I don't have a 6-course guitar but your realization looks very convincing. Thanks for the link to Zincke as well. I enjoyed listening to it. The mandora is quite a loud instrument - it can certainly hold its own with the violin and cello.I hope you are surviving in the wilds of Yorkshire. I have a friend lives in rural Suffolk and having some difficulty getting to the shops. I have been able to go out and about - I hope they don't lock us down completely. It is a bizarre situation isn't it.</p> IMG_20171229_0001.pdf
IMG_201…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-03-21:2111060:Comment:828472020-03-21T17:22:30.689ZMartyn Hodgsonhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MartynHodgson
<p><a rel="noopener" target="_blank">IMG_20171229_0001.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2059887455?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank">IMG_20171229_0005.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2059887633?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank">IMG_20171229_0006.pdf…</a></p>
<p></p>
<p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener">IMG_20171229_0001.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2059887455?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">IMG_20171229_0005.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2059887633?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">IMG_20171229_0006.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2059887985?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">IMG_20171229_0007.pdf</a></p>
<p></p>
<p>Good to hear from you. Here are the files again (I hope!). The first two are scans of the MS with my (presumed flags added - questionable and open to amendment). The third is a staff transcription for teh guitar in this odd tuning (in key of C with sixth course to low C); the fourth is my editorial attempt to make a readily playable version only requiring the sixth course to be tuned down a tone.</p>
<p></p>
<p>But I must say, this piece is relatively easy to reconstruct its flags - some of the others are v. tricky which is why I put out my plea!. It's perhaps a worthwhile task since, as mentioned, Padre Basilio was famed at the time and was the inspiration for Boccherini's famous fandango and he also taught Aguado and maybe Sor too.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Yes, I know Scheidler well - I speculated years ago that his guitar tuning (ie the sixth a tone below the fifth course) was directly influenced by the mandora/callichone which was, of course, very popular at the time in German speaking lands and was often tuned in this manner. However, the real neglected hero of late mandora music is Josef Zincke who lasted into the nineteenth century - his chamber music (in the style of Haydn) is outstanding.</p>
<p>I'll try attaching (WAV.) a sonata for violin, cello and mandora we recorded live a couple of years ago (but it may well be to big). Alas - yes, too big. But it's on this new(ish) site under Audio files</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gallichon.de/audio.html">http://www.gallichon.de/audio.html</a></p>
<p></p>
<p>regards, Martyn</p> How funny that you should hav…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2020-03-21:2111060:Comment:826732020-03-21T16:50:12.407ZMonica Hallhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MonicaHall
<p>How funny that you should have raised this again at this point. Having time on my hands I have been going through my files deleting things I don't need any more. The one about this manuscript with your original message is one I decided to keep. Having said that I haven't got any suggestions about the music and I couldn't open the four pdfs. </p>
<p>As a complete non sequitur have you heard of Christian Gottfried Scheidler. He published some pieces for 6-course guitar but the sixth course is…</p>
<p>How funny that you should have raised this again at this point. Having time on my hands I have been going through my files deleting things I don't need any more. The one about this manuscript with your original message is one I decided to keep. Having said that I haven't got any suggestions about the music and I couldn't open the four pdfs. </p>
<p>As a complete non sequitur have you heard of Christian Gottfried Scheidler. He published some pieces for 6-course guitar but the sixth course is tuned to G a tone below the fifth course rather than E a fourth below. Apparently the 6-course instrument was occasionally strung like this in the transition period. Eds. Chanterelle did publish a facsimile of Scheidler's book.</p>