Losy or not Losy (Logy ?) mandora/guitar book

[Valéry Sauvage]

http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/92004/8BBCF27BFD3362850AA8C19...

Very interesting book I didn't new before, with some scores, and in the second part (f. 48) some tabs for six courses mandora and 5 course guitar. (nice music not too hard to play)

Do you know this book, is it by Logy/Losy ?

Thanks for your answers...

Valéry

[Martyn Hodgson]

Dear Martin,

You need to look at the original and a digital version is available online. The MS was Prague MS Kk 77 but I understand has now been restored to the Lobkowitz collection.  Look through the archives of this forum and you should find a link (I did several months ago). It wasn't the best of scans but perfectly readable. You'll then be able to make your own mind up about the accuracy of the transcription in the MAB edition.

regards

MH

 

PS Re the Treder edition, I understand it's a reintabulation of the MAB staff notation so it's not surprising it has the errant 5/4 signature.  But, like you, I also regret that it's not such an exotic piece after all! - and you'll see this is reflected in a private email I sent some time ago on this and other related matters. Edited as pasted below:

 
>>>    '  Yes, I have the old Supraphon (MAB) edition - not at all bad considering the  date.   Alas, some of the transcriptions are incorrect: see, for  example, No 1 Allemande. This is also the first piece in MsKk 77 but  you'll see that the flags in the first full bar are incorrectly transcribed in the Supraphon edition: instead of three quavers  (down, up, down) the editors have them as a quaver (d) and two semi-quavers  (u  d). The rest of the piece is similarly incorrectly transcribed.  There are a fair number of such scattered errors throughout the publication. The one I like the best is No 33 'Aria' which they transcribe as being in 5/4 time and over which  I tried many different stresses to make it work effectively (shades of William Shield's predeliction for 5/4) but, alas, when I saw a copy  of  the original I saw the scribe marks it simply as a 3 time and,  although  some flags are missing and barring is often nonsensical, it plays as  a triple time piece - what a shame - I rather liked the idea of a 5/4 guitar work in the early 18th century. The page before has a  'Menuet' which is similarly poorly barred in the original but as a menuet can be easily rebarred.

But hats off to Supraphon for publishing such a work at that date. You'll see the editors also made a list of sources and include another  one for mandora with works by Losy: Brno, Moravian Museum A 3329. The Losy rondeau I mentioned as being probably for mandora is on page 31 of the Supraphon edition. In Brno Ms D189 it has 'Rondeau  /  C  Loeschi'  which the editors thought, I think correctly, is Losy. This particular piece does, in fact, also appear as a Dm lute piece as well as in  D189 for a 6  string instrument in a known mandora tuning.   

We've discussed D189 before: it contains instructions how to tune the gallichon/mandora ( f. 3 'Calledono accord') and the guitar (f.48 ' Fundementa Chytarra')  and,  interestingly, on f.48v has 'Accordo Chytarra et Mandora' indicating either instrument is possible. And from f. 48v it has pieces for an instrument with six courses in a known mandora tuning with the sixth  course just a tone below the fifth - presumably a guitarist would simply play the open third course. On 51v is our rondeau showing quite clearly 6 courses - and in this piece putting the sixth course up an octave would spoil the melodic effect (see last system bars 3 through to 6). Odd that the editors make no mention of a sixth course being required. The piece also fits very easily on the mandora so perhaps, as speculated earlier, it was conceived for the mandora by Losy rather than for guitar or Dm lute. ........

MH'    

     

[Martyn Hodgson]

Further to this, try this link

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?dfwga97knrixnw1

 

MH

[Cogg]

Thanks very much  Martyn,

I've copied out the Aria now and will put it on my music stand to see what emerges -  can see  why 5/4 thoughts entered the MAB. At least I managed to enjoy 2 morning sessions concocting sense out of that rendering before being set with a different plan.

Email segment amused me too,

Martin.

[Cogg]

Someone added an extra piece to my copy of the mandora tab section : )