Guitar Battante - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-29T11:09:57Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/guitar-battante?commentId=2111060%3AComment%3A18206&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, I am familiar with (and…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-10:2111060:Comment:182622010-10-10T22:26:37.262ZChris Despopouloshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ChrisDespopoulos
Yes, I am familiar with (and thankful for) this video. From what I know of Flamenco technique, and what I've seen of bettente, I have to say Rob's technique reminds me more of the latter. I say that because when you strike the guitar in Flamenco, it's a very different movement. Actually tapping the face is an important part of the Flamenco technique, and there are very deliberate gestures to do it -- no less deliberate than gestures to play two or more strings at one stroke. In a way you could…
Yes, I am familiar with (and thankful for) this video. From what I know of Flamenco technique, and what I've seen of bettente, I have to say Rob's technique reminds me more of the latter. I say that because when you strike the guitar in Flamenco, it's a very different movement. Actually tapping the face is an important part of the Flamenco technique, and there are very deliberate gestures to do it -- no less deliberate than gestures to play two or more strings at one stroke. In a way you could say that in Flamenco striking the face is like punteado in Baroque guitar. It's not necessarily part of a rasgueado. But as I recall, lot's of Rob's striking the guitar are extensions of rasgueados. And that looks a lot like what I see in the bettente youtubes...<br />
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But definitely, there's a lot of common ground between rasgueados in Baroque and Flamenco techniques. At least today, anyway. I'll tell you what interests…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-10:2111060:Comment:182612010-10-10T22:19:40.261ZChris Despopouloshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ChrisDespopoulos
I'll tell you what interests me about this. I cannot believe this majestic and venerable guitar, after being converted into a Chitarra Bettente, was wielded by peasants singing laments about fishermen dying at sea, or playing dances for the village revelries. No indeed, I find that hard to believe. So there must be some continuity from the Baroque guitar to this other tradition, and it must have passed through some fairly rich hands.<br />
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Reading the description on that web page, it says bettente…
I'll tell you what interests me about this. I cannot believe this majestic and venerable guitar, after being converted into a Chitarra Bettente, was wielded by peasants singing laments about fishermen dying at sea, or playing dances for the village revelries. No indeed, I find that hard to believe. So there must be some continuity from the Baroque guitar to this other tradition, and it must have passed through some fairly rich hands.<br />
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Reading the description on that web page, it says bettente was played with a plectrum. Today that's not the case, according to the youtubes I've seen. That alone is an interesting thing to follow. Oh, were I an official scholar able to get funding for such a study! An example from the Sellas wo…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-09:2111060:Comment:182352010-10-09T08:22:06.235ZJan van Cappellehttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/JanvanCappelle
An example from the Sellas workshop 1623 (converted into):<br/>
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<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/furniture/furniture_features/musical_instruments/objects/object.php?action=&id=1&id2=0&hits=&page=&pages=&object_type=&country=&start_year=&end_year=&object=&artist=" target="_blank">http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/furniture/furniture_features/music...</a>
An example from the Sellas workshop 1623 (converted into):<br/>
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<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/furniture/furniture_features/musical_instruments/objects/object.php?action=&id=1&id2=0&hits=&page=&pages=&object_type=&country=&start_year=&end_year=&object=&artist=" target="_blank">http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/furniture/furniture_features/music...</a> Maybe you are already familia…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-06:2111060:Comment:182102010-10-06T13:56:02.210ZAkira Sakamotohttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AkiraSakamoto
Maybe you are already familiar with this but anyway, here:<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArlVOJW4ME&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArlVOJW4ME&feature=player_embedded</a><br/>
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Rob (founder of this frum) explains the strumming technique of the baroque guitar that resembles today's flamenco one. :)
Maybe you are already familiar with this but anyway, here:<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArlVOJW4ME&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArlVOJW4ME&feature=player_embedded</a><br/>
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Rob (founder of this frum) explains the strumming technique of the baroque guitar that resembles today's flamenco one. :) I think my primary interest i…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-06:2111060:Comment:182062010-10-06T12:12:02.206ZChris Despopouloshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ChrisDespopoulos
I think my primary interest is in the music and playing technique. Thankfully, there's a wealth of examples on the net. It seems the more "traditional" playing doesn't include anything we'd call punteado. At least, looking at the videos I can find in an un-scholarly fashion. I've seen references to "innovators" who seem to be about 40 years old or so... they seem to be the oldest people I can find who do any finger picking of note.<br />
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I guess it would be telling to see that both were built at the…
I think my primary interest is in the music and playing technique. Thankfully, there's a wealth of examples on the net. It seems the more "traditional" playing doesn't include anything we'd call punteado. At least, looking at the videos I can find in an un-scholarly fashion. I've seen references to "innovators" who seem to be about 40 years old or so... they seem to be the oldest people I can find who do any finger picking of note.<br />
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I guess it would be telling to see that both were built at the same time. So it's interesting that Sellas made them... Is the Mateo Sellas? That would mean a split in use/technique that existed contemporaneously. And so perhaps one influenced the other? Did they use metal strings at that time as well?<br />
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But I wonder, if playing in an ensemble, should a guitarist take a cue from the Bettente and actually execute percussion on the instrument? Note that Flamenco guitar does that as well... I haven't read anything about actually beating on the guitar, but then again, I haven't read much at all about the right hand for Baroque guitar... Hi, there seem to be two diff…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-06:2111060:Comment:182002010-10-06T11:58:25.200ZAkira Sakamotohttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AkiraSakamoto
Hi, there seem to be two different kinds of chitarra battente: baroque guitar derivatives and folk instruments.<br/>
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This might be of some help:<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitarra_battente" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitarra_battente</a>
Hi, there seem to be two different kinds of chitarra battente: baroque guitar derivatives and folk instruments.<br/>
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This might be of some help:<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitarra_battente" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitarra_battente</a> It is a 'battered' or 'beaten…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2010-10-05:2111060:Comment:181932010-10-05T20:36:06.193ZJan van Cappellehttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/JanvanCappelle
It is a 'battered' or 'beaten' baroque guitar. It existed parallel to the baroque guitar. Sellas for example made them both.<br />
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Mostly brass or iron strings are used.<br />
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Of many baroqueguitars the necks where shortened to and the soundboard was bent to convert it into battente guitars.<br />
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But I think other members know more about them.
It is a 'battered' or 'beaten' baroque guitar. It existed parallel to the baroque guitar. Sellas for example made them both.<br />
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Mostly brass or iron strings are used.<br />
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Of many baroqueguitars the necks where shortened to and the soundboard was bent to convert it into battente guitars.<br />
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But I think other members know more about them.