damage to romantic guitar from standing with a strap???? - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-29T08:38:33Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/damage-to-romantic-guitar-from-standing-with-a-strap?commentId=2111060%3AComment%3A52682&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOn baroque guitars the back b…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-06-25:2111060:Comment:526822014-06-25T09:27:33.810ZPeter Forresterhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/PeterForrester
<p>On baroque guitars the back buttons are small and seem to be for a gut line between them, possibly with subsidiary loops, which could be hung from coat buttons. A 17th c. lute in the ex-V&A collection has such a loop (and it was present when photographed for the 1968 catalogue so is probably an accurate replacement or original). Many (most?) flat-back and some arched-back baroque guitars have or have had back buttons, sometimes end buttons as well. Almost all have a small eleventh hole…</p>
<p>On baroque guitars the back buttons are small and seem to be for a gut line between them, possibly with subsidiary loops, which could be hung from coat buttons. A 17th c. lute in the ex-V&A collection has such a loop (and it was present when photographed for the 1968 catalogue so is probably an accurate replacement or original). Many (most?) flat-back and some arched-back baroque guitars have or have had back buttons, sometimes end buttons as well. Almost all have a small eleventh hole in the peg-plate where a strap could be attached or the instrument hung from a wall. Or the spare peg-hole on a ten-peg, nine-string instrument could be used (and/or for a bundle of ribbons). The gut string between back buttons could only really be used by a male guitarist. A strap between end button and peg head could be used by both sexes. A painting by Boucher seems to show both methods. Interestingly, the Mademoiselle de Nantes Voboam guitar in Paris has no end button so is unlikely to have been played by Mademoiselle.</p> I'm not really sure. I read a…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-06-24:2111060:Comment:525852014-06-24T20:09:29.889ZScot Tremblayhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ScotTremblay
<p>I'm not really sure. I read about it years back and then came across references to it again recently. </p>
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<p>You can see this kind of button arrangement on Baroque guitars as well. Some think that it keeps the back off the table when the instrument is laid back down on a table but this only works for flat backed instrument and not very well at that. It certainly doesn't work well on the archback baroque guitars where it is most prevelent so I think we can all but discount that…</p>
<p>I'm not really sure. I read about it years back and then came across references to it again recently. </p>
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<p>You can see this kind of button arrangement on Baroque guitars as well. Some think that it keeps the back off the table when the instrument is laid back down on a table but this only works for flat backed instrument and not very well at that. It certainly doesn't work well on the archback baroque guitars where it is most prevelent so I think we can all but discount that theory.</p>
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<p>My personal opinion is that it is for attaching a strap of some kind. But until someone can produce an original strap or a clear contemporary drawing of one it's only speculation.</p> Hi Scot, where does the 'butt…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-06-24:2111060:Comment:525832014-06-24T19:54:33.513ZJelma van Amersfoorthttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/JelmavanAmersfoort
<p>Hi Scot, where does the 'button-theory' stem from? I knew people think that of lute straps, but guitars...? </p>
<p>Hi Scot, where does the 'button-theory' stem from? I knew people think that of lute straps, but guitars...? </p> This is the setup that some b…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-06-24:2111060:Comment:523722014-06-24T19:44:20.990ZScot Tremblayhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ScotTremblay
<p>This is the setup that some believe was used to attach a short chord/strap which allowed the guitar to hang off large buttons on the players frock coat. I have tried it on my 19th century reproduction frock coat and it does work...however it does feel quite odd. </p>
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<p>There are other theories concerning this button arrangement, including attachment points for the Aguado like tripodium, attachment points for a second strap which went around the body to stabilize the guitar and…</p>
<p>This is the setup that some believe was used to attach a short chord/strap which allowed the guitar to hang off large buttons on the players frock coat. I have tried it on my 19th century reproduction frock coat and it does work...however it does feel quite odd. </p>
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<p>There are other theories concerning this button arrangement, including attachment points for the Aguado like tripodium, attachment points for a second strap which went around the body to stabilize the guitar and others less likely...I'm not exacxtly sure which is correct or not, maybe all, maybe none.</p> Hello Mike
Actually, many Pan…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-06-23:2111060:Comment:524632014-06-23T16:36:14.193ZJelma van Amersfoorthttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/JelmavanAmersfoort
<p>Hello Mike</p>
<p>Actually, many Panormos and other 19th (and 18th century) century guitars have a strap button near the heel, only not attached to the heel but to the central/upper part of the soundbox (where there is a block inside). Here is an image:</p>
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<p>Hello Mike</p>
<p>Actually, many Panormos and other 19th (and 18th century) century guitars have a strap button near the heel, only not attached to the heel but to the central/upper part of the soundbox (where there is a block inside). Here is an image:</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167625814?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167625814?profile=original" width="258" class="align-full"/></a></p> I elected to have the two but…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-06-22:2111060:Comment:524602014-06-22T11:14:23.310ZItalo Borsalinohttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ItaloBorsalino
<p>I elected to have the two buttons installed on my Panormo so I would at least have the option of going either way. As it turned out, I've been using a Dynarette for the last year and still haven't gotten around to getting a strap. I see the Duo Sonare uses the two button strap method and it looks like it works out quite well:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajw1BfVRYIQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajw1BfVRYIQ</a></p>
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<p>I elected to have the two buttons installed on my Panormo so I would at least have the option of going either way. As it turned out, I've been using a Dynarette for the last year and still haven't gotten around to getting a strap. I see the Duo Sonare uses the two button strap method and it looks like it works out quite well:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajw1BfVRYIQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajw1BfVRYIQ</a></p>
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