Buying Baroque Guitar Strings - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-28T12:59:45Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/buying-baroque-guitar-strings?id=2111060%3ATopic%3A27487&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI am surprised too as I alway…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-14:2111060:Comment:696572017-01-14T21:05:06.708ZMonica Hallhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MonicaHall
<p>I am surprised too as I always buy my strings from B & N. I use gut but I'm sure they must have others. You must have got the wrong person. Good luck tomorrow.</p>
<p>I am surprised too as I always buy my strings from B & N. I use gut but I'm sure they must have others. You must have got the wrong person. Good luck tomorrow.</p> thank your for taking the tim…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-12:2111060:Comment:693652017-01-12T22:27:21.512ZGabriele Natillahttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/GabrieleNatilla
<p>thank your for taking the time to answer, Yuri. </p>
<p>Interesting to know the value of 28 kgs. </p>
<p>In fact I change very much my right hand technique when I switch from the classical to the XIXth century to the baroque guitar (and recently to the theorbo). </p>
<p>I agree with you, I don't want the baroque to sound like the classical guitar. That's why I like to keep it loose enough. Just I wanted to know how luck freedom there is to increase a little bit the tension. And your comment…</p>
<p>thank your for taking the time to answer, Yuri. </p>
<p>Interesting to know the value of 28 kgs. </p>
<p>In fact I change very much my right hand technique when I switch from the classical to the XIXth century to the baroque guitar (and recently to the theorbo). </p>
<p>I agree with you, I don't want the baroque to sound like the classical guitar. That's why I like to keep it loose enough. Just I wanted to know how luck freedom there is to increase a little bit the tension. And your comment was exactly providing the answer, thank you. </p> Sure the baroque is much more…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-12:2111060:Comment:693602017-01-12T08:11:49.059ZYuri Limanhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/YuriLiman
<p>Sure the baroque is much more fragile than classical (and even more than steel string folk or jazz guitars) but still it should have some reserve in tension.</p>
<p>Average total tension for baroque guitar is about 28 kgs.</p>
<p>On my guitar I used strings calculated for a=415 but I had to raise it to a=440 with the same string set (this increases tension at about 0,3-0,4 kg per string (about 3 kgs in total). Then in a few months a lowered it back and it sounded better by the…</p>
<p>Sure the baroque is much more fragile than classical (and even more than steel string folk or jazz guitars) but still it should have some reserve in tension.</p>
<p>Average total tension for baroque guitar is about 28 kgs.</p>
<p>On my guitar I used strings calculated for a=415 but I had to raise it to a=440 with the same string set (this increases tension at about 0,3-0,4 kg per string (about 3 kgs in total). Then in a few months a lowered it back and it sounded better by the way.</p>
<p>(There's more risk in this case that the strings could break than the instrument).</p>
<p>Sometimes it is even recomended to raise strings on a new instrument to give the soundboard more tension to make it sound good quicker.</p>
<p>But you should be reasonable of course... to secure it you may ask your luthier what is the maximum tension the construction of your guitar can support. No-one knows the instrument better than him.</p>
<p>0.2 - 0.3 kgs per stirng change the sound and feel quite significanltly so I would not go for more.</p>
<p>I also would not do it with many course lutes though. Since the total tension is much higher.</p>
<p>(Though I saw lutes with extremely high tension without any reinforcement - usually it was to increase volume in continuo group. The best thing is to have a special instrument for this of course but it's not that we can always afford it).</p>
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<p>Please, consider also that when you switch from classical it may be also not the problem of the instrument or the strings... but your right hand technique, touch and sound production.</p>
<p>Obviously it is much easier to control sound on double courses with a high tension but you get a different more modern guitar sound as a result.</p>
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<p> </p> Thank you Yuri.
So you're sa…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-11:2111060:Comment:695462017-01-11T22:24:41.581ZGabriele Natillahttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/GabrieleNatilla
<p>Thank you Yuri. </p>
<p>So you're saying a bit bigger gauge won't hurt the guitar. Nice to hear, because these interments look so thin and fragile to me (I am used to classical guitars, you see). </p>
<p>I'll try. </p>
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<p>Thank you Yuri. </p>
<p>So you're saying a bit bigger gauge won't hurt the guitar. Nice to hear, because these interments look so thin and fragile to me (I am used to classical guitars, you see). </p>
<p>I'll try. </p>
<p></p>
<p></p> Hi Gabrielle,
I see your poi…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-10:2111060:Comment:695382017-01-10T08:26:40.866ZYuri Limanhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/YuriLiman
<p>Hi Gabrielle, </p>
<p>I see your point.</p>
<p>Why would not you just try a bit bigger gauge? This won't kill your guitar. </p>
<p>I had the same problem more or less with my first guitar... I just ordered reccomended string set... but I was not satisfied with the feel and sound. So I experimented a bit and more or less found my preffered gauges for that guitar.</p>
<p>To meet Mimmo Peruffo is surely great, but maybe even better it would be to meet and consult really experienced pro player…</p>
<p>Hi Gabrielle, </p>
<p>I see your point.</p>
<p>Why would not you just try a bit bigger gauge? This won't kill your guitar. </p>
<p>I had the same problem more or less with my first guitar... I just ordered reccomended string set... but I was not satisfied with the feel and sound. So I experimented a bit and more or less found my preffered gauges for that guitar.</p>
<p>To meet Mimmo Peruffo is surely great, but maybe even better it would be to meet and consult really experienced pro player if you ever have a chance.</p> Hello Yuri, thank you for you…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-10:2111060:Comment:694512017-01-10T07:53:21.046ZGabriele Natillahttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/GabrieleNatilla
<p>Hello Yuri, thank you for your reply. </p>
<p>The thing is that it is not relevant if a t-shirt pulls one or two kilos on my body (it is a stretched M-size), but on the guitar hundreds of grams can change a lot. </p>
<p>Physically if I want to calculate the kg I have to use this caliber data (with length, pitch, etc), so that's why I asked Mimmo Peruffo which diameter I should consider, before or after. I replied: after. </p>
<p>The irregularity of the string diameter on its length is…</p>
<p>Hello Yuri, thank you for your reply. </p>
<p>The thing is that it is not relevant if a t-shirt pulls one or two kilos on my body (it is a stretched M-size), but on the guitar hundreds of grams can change a lot. </p>
<p>Physically if I want to calculate the kg I have to use this caliber data (with length, pitch, etc), so that's why I asked Mimmo Peruffo which diameter I should consider, before or after. I replied: after. </p>
<p>The irregularity of the string diameter on its length is another thing, maybe the results comes from the average of the diameter (but also it gives an unpredictable temperament, a nightmare).</p>
<p>My problem is that following the luthier recommandations, I feel my guitar too loose. And when I measure the diameter they are lower than the new strings because of the stretching. </p>
<p>In any case I want to walk about it again with Mimmo Peruffo, I'll meet him in April. </p>
<p>Gabriele</p> I am not really sure...
the c…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-10:2111060:Comment:696452017-01-10T07:32:59.074ZYuri Limanhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/YuriLiman
<p>I am not really sure...</p>
<p>the calculations of tension/gauge are relative too.</p>
<p>The string producers measure gauges of loose strings... </p>
<p>If you buy M size T-shirt and when you put it on on it gets very tight and you strecht it by wearing it is still made as M-size)))</p>
<p>Kilos are just basic reference when we do not have enough practical confidence and experience. It'snot kilos after al what we're afterl.. it's playing comfortability and good sound.</p>
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<p>to be…</p>
<p>I am not really sure...</p>
<p>the calculations of tension/gauge are relative too.</p>
<p>The string producers measure gauges of loose strings... </p>
<p>If you buy M size T-shirt and when you put it on on it gets very tight and you strecht it by wearing it is still made as M-size)))</p>
<p>Kilos are just basic reference when we do not have enough practical confidence and experience. It'snot kilos after al what we're afterl.. it's playing comfortability and good sound.</p>
<p></p>
<p>to be honest I would not overthink it too much... </p>
<p>My point it that a beginner should buy just basic set reccomended for scale and tension... and then with practice he will eventually find out if he needs different gauges for his guitar, his playing style, his sound</p>
<p>gut strings often have different gauge for the same string in different places.. so what can we do with that? and the players in old days did not use mocrometers I believe.</p> Hello,
I am very interested…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2017-01-09:2111060:Comment:694482017-01-09T23:01:54.354ZGabriele Natillahttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/GabrieleNatilla
<p>Hello, </p>
<p>I am very interested in this discussion. Well, concerning the nylgut string gauge for the Baroque guitar I agree with the diameter given in this thread. Just one thing: the diameter refers to the NEW string made of nylgut, right? Now, when you put the string on the guitar it loses around 8 per cent of its diameter. I have experienced (measuring with a micrometer) that a 0.60 nylgut would become around 0.56 once in the guitar under the tension at pitch (let's say the second…</p>
<p>Hello, </p>
<p>I am very interested in this discussion. Well, concerning the nylgut string gauge for the Baroque guitar I agree with the diameter given in this thread. Just one thing: the diameter refers to the NEW string made of nylgut, right? Now, when you put the string on the guitar it loses around 8 per cent of its diameter. I have experienced (measuring with a micrometer) that a 0.60 nylgut would become around 0.56 once in the guitar under the tension at pitch (let's say the second course). Now, does it mean that if we actually want 0.60 we should buy a 0.64 (because we would like the kilos corresponding to 0.60 and not 0.56)? I have asked this Mimmo Peruffo (Aquila's mind and boss), and he confirmed that the tension must be calculated according to the diameter AFTER the string is on the guitar. What is you viewpoint on that? </p> There is a bit of an overlap…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2012-04-16:2111060:Comment:355662012-04-16T16:21:40.012ZMark Dayhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MarkDay
<p>There is a bit of an overlap occasionally between this site and the lute site, but as you say, a lot of the same people are at both. Certain things kind of go with the territory.</p>
<p>My experiences with Elderly have been very good so far and they have agreed to add a few more items from Labella at my request. I also find their prices on tuning machines better than stewmac or lmi, generally.</p>
<p>I'll buy a set from Curtis and see how they sound. Do they generally last as long as nylon…</p>
<p>There is a bit of an overlap occasionally between this site and the lute site, but as you say, a lot of the same people are at both. Certain things kind of go with the territory.</p>
<p>My experiences with Elderly have been very good so far and they have agreed to add a few more items from Labella at my request. I also find their prices on tuning machines better than stewmac or lmi, generally.</p>
<p>I'll buy a set from Curtis and see how they sound. Do they generally last as long as nylon strings?</p> I didn't know if I should pos…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2012-04-14:2111060:Comment:356322012-04-14T02:16:53.651ZScot Tremblayhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ScotTremblay
<p>I didn't know if I should post that interview here, as we're guitar type folks, but the bit on strings kind of applied to what was being discussed so thought others might find it as interesting as I did.</p>
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<p>Besides I suspect many here play lute too so wouldn't object too much.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I agree with your assessment of Elderly. I don't get a lot from them (strings sometimes) but when I do the service is always tops.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>But don't get put off by the Aguila head…</p>
<p>I didn't know if I should post that interview here, as we're guitar type folks, but the bit on strings kind of applied to what was being discussed so thought others might find it as interesting as I did.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Besides I suspect many here play lute too so wouldn't object too much.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I agree with your assessment of Elderly. I don't get a lot from them (strings sometimes) but when I do the service is always tops.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>But don't get put off by the Aguila head office rules, Curtis over at Aquila USA is excellent and has gone out of his way to help with my "stupid customer" demands. I've had nothing but excellent service and can say only good things about my experience with him.</p>