Baroque Guitar for sale . - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-28T11:30:18Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/baroque-guitar-for-sale-2?commentId=2111060%3AComment%3A24504&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks. Guitar bought by some…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-13:2111060:Comment:245262011-07-13T19:33:29.157ZPeter Claphamhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/PeterClapham
Thanks. Guitar bought by someone doing a Phd on early english guitars .
Thanks. Guitar bought by someone doing a Phd on early english guitars . Just to let everyone know , m…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-13:2111060:Comment:245242011-07-13T17:15:20.882ZPeter Claphamhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/PeterClapham
Just to let everyone know , my guitar sold on ebay for the starting bid and is going to a good home .
Just to let everyone know , my guitar sold on ebay for the starting bid and is going to a good home . Hans, there are 'wall holes'…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:245082011-07-12T23:26:19.116ZAlexander Batovhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AlexanderBatov
Hans, there are 'wall holes' and there are peg holes. They may look similar but they are not the same. I don't mind if you want to substitute one for another, it's up to you.
Hans, there are 'wall holes' and there are peg holes. They may look similar but they are not the same. I don't mind if you want to substitute one for another, it's up to you. Thanks, Akira, I understand.tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:245062011-07-12T23:05:33.350ZAlexander Batovhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AlexanderBatov
Thanks, Akira, I understand.
Thanks, Akira, I understand. Oh dear, I thought that Tyler…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:245052011-07-12T22:57:35.251ZAlexander Batovhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AlexanderBatov
<p>Oh dear, I thought that Tyler's example would come up and it did, just like a fantom ... Can I just say, without going into any further explanation (because it simply doesn't deserve it), that this was his rather sad mistake: a musicologist making an organological mistake - this is just so typical! I don't blame him for this though, he contributed so much to the study of the early guitar from which we all benefited; organology was simply not his forte. It does, however, takes ages to…</p>
<p>Oh dear, I thought that Tyler's example would come up and it did, just like a fantom ... Can I just say, without going into any further explanation (because it simply doesn't deserve it), that this was his rather sad mistake: a musicologist making an organological mistake - this is just so typical! I don't blame him for this though, he contributed so much to the study of the early guitar from which we all benefited; organology was simply not his forte. It does, however, takes ages to eradicate such mistakes, because once the word / idea is printed it becomes (quite mysteriously so) a kind of 'universal truth', sunk and consolidated in people's minds.</p>
<p>And on this very note I must say goodbye to this topic. All I wanted to say I've already said and it just feels as a waste of time to debate any further.</p> Alexander, I was referring to…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:245042011-07-12T22:12:20.627ZAkira Sakamotohttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AkiraSakamoto
<p>Alexander, I was referring to the guitar whose image you posted (the 8-string one with the body that looks like Martin Backpacker).</p>
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<p>Sorry I cannot see "reply" link directly under Alexander's comment that I'm replying here.</p>
<p>Alexander, I was referring to the guitar whose image you posted (the 8-string one with the body that looks like Martin Backpacker).</p>
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<p>Sorry I cannot see "reply" link directly under Alexander's comment that I'm replying here.</p> Am finding this discussion ve…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:245032011-07-12T21:54:06.560ZPeter Claphamhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/PeterClapham
Am finding this discussion very interesting , thanks for keeping me very entertained .
Am finding this discussion very interesting , thanks for keeping me very entertained . Well, I don't know which part…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:244992011-07-12T20:15:05.321ZAlexander Batovhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AlexanderBatov
Well, I don't know which particular guitars you are talking about, that look 'just like Peter's guitar'? I very much doubt that! To my knowledge, there are only two surviving (proper!) baroque guitars with 9 peg hole configuration, where the central one is positioned at the top of the peg head (see footnote 18 on this page: <a href="http://www.vihuelademano.com/rcmdias.htm#r18" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.vihuelademano.com/rcmdias.htm#r18</a>)<br></br> <br></br> Or scroll to the middle of…
Well, I don't know which particular guitars you are talking about, that look 'just like Peter's guitar'? I very much doubt that! To my knowledge, there are only two surviving (proper!) baroque guitars with 9 peg hole configuration, where the central one is positioned at the top of the peg head (see footnote 18 on this page: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.vihuelademano.com/rcmdias.htm#r18" target="_blank">http://www.vihuelademano.com/rcmdias.htm#r18</a>)<br/> <br/> Or scroll to the middle of the same page to see some more iconographic examples with the similar sort of arrangement.<br/> <br/> Again, the 'guitar' under question has nothing to do with baroque guitar tradition at all, it is just a poorly-conceived clone of one, both internally and externally.<br/> Alexander, I don't think you…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:244982011-07-12T20:02:56.028ZAkira Sakamotohttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AkiraSakamoto
<p>Alexander, I don't think you are stealing Jim Westbrook's thunder (I enjoy reading his book by the way), but your reply DOES sound like a thunder to me!</p>
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<p>I had no idea that such kind of guitar ever existed. Thank you for the heads-up. Indeed there are so many things to learn!</p>
<p>Alexander, I don't think you are stealing Jim Westbrook's thunder (I enjoy reading his book by the way), but your reply DOES sound like a thunder to me!</p>
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<p>I had no idea that such kind of guitar ever existed. Thank you for the heads-up. Indeed there are so many things to learn!</p> I'm sure Jim Westbrook can te…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2011-07-12:2111060:Comment:244892011-07-12T19:18:12.801ZAlexander Batovhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/AlexanderBatov
<p>I'm sure Jim Westbrook can tell everything one could possibly ever want to know about <span style="text-decoration: underline;">this particular</span> sort of guitar. Not in any way trying to steal his thunder, I just explain briefly what I think it is. What it is certainly not is a 'baroque guitar', '4-double-course guitar' etc, not in the slightest!<br></br> It is an 8-string(!), guitar-shaped thing which was supposed to be tuned in an open-chord, English Guitar sort of tuning, quite possibly…</p>
<p>I'm sure Jim Westbrook can tell everything one could possibly ever want to know about <span style="text-decoration: underline;">this particular</span> sort of guitar. Not in any way trying to steal his thunder, I just explain briefly what I think it is. What it is certainly not is a 'baroque guitar', '4-double-course guitar' etc, not in the slightest!<br/> It is an 8-string(!), guitar-shaped thing which was supposed to be tuned in an open-chord, English Guitar sort of tuning, quite possibly preceding (or, indeed, being contemporary with) a more fancy-looking 8-string Harp-Guitar, i.e. as on this link:<br/> <br/> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.harpguitars.net/history/org_images/Harp-lutes/harp-guitar,anon,ca1798-miner-b.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.harpguitars.net/history/org_images/Harp-lutes/harp-guita...</a><br/> <br/> There was, I believe, a 6-string version too and there is at least one iconographic representation (if I manage to find it, I'll post it here) where an 8-string instrument is stung with 6 strings only.</p>
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<p>PS: The hole at the peg head top is not for a peg, it is for a strap!</p>