Barcelona MS691 - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-29T05:59:37Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/barcelona-ms691?feed=yes&xn_auth=noDear Ms Hall,
Thank you so m…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2018-05-14:2111060:Comment:761442018-05-14T10:21:59.020Zgilles Thttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/gillesT
<p>Dear Ms Hall,</p>
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<p>Thank you so much ! I have been able to find this vid, and here's the link just in case other members may be interested : </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmHhsUCqxo" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmHhsUCqxo</a></p>
<p>Actually I have been confusing this suite (por la E) with the other suite "por la D" I'm playing from your edition for the Lute Society Music. Nevertheless, this is really beautiful music and Alfred Fernandez…</p>
<p>Dear Ms Hall,</p>
<p></p>
<p>Thank you so much ! I have been able to find this vid, and here's the link just in case other members may be interested : </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmHhsUCqxo" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmHhsUCqxo</a></p>
<p>Actually I have been confusing this suite (por la E) with the other suite "por la D" I'm playing from your edition for the Lute Society Music. Nevertheless, this is really beautiful music and Alfred Fernandez plays it with great accuracy and taste. I just ordered the CD which seems very good.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your kindness, best regards,</p>
<p>Gilles</p> The prelude and sarabande hav…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2018-05-14:2111060:Comment:758642018-05-14T08:05:25.409ZMonica Hallhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MonicaHall
<p>The prelude and sarabande have been recorded by Alfred Fernandez but not the minuet. I have the CD - not sure if it is on YT but you might trace it under Alfred Fernandez. </p>
<p>The prelude and sarabande have been recorded by Alfred Fernandez but not the minuet. I have the CD - not sure if it is on YT but you might trace it under Alfred Fernandez. </p> Hello,
I'm playing this wond…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2018-05-12:2111060:Comment:759552018-05-12T17:14:54.008Zgilles Thttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/gillesT
<p>Hello,</p>
<p></p>
<p>I'm playing this wonderful little suite (which only consists in a Prelude, saraband and minuet) from a very nice collection edited by Miss Hall (thanks to her for her great work and knowledge). My trouble is : I'm positive I stumbled a long time ago on a video of this music on YT but I just can't find it again. I've tried about each and every possible keyword in the search, but to no avail. If someone would be kind enough to point me a link to this vid, I would be very…</p>
<p>Hello,</p>
<p></p>
<p>I'm playing this wonderful little suite (which only consists in a Prelude, saraband and minuet) from a very nice collection edited by Miss Hall (thanks to her for her great work and knowledge). My trouble is : I'm positive I stumbled a long time ago on a video of this music on YT but I just can't find it again. I've tried about each and every possible keyword in the search, but to no avail. If someone would be kind enough to point me a link to this vid, I would be very happy. Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>Gilles</p> In fact, many people in Barce…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2014-01-02:2111060:Comment:492932014-01-02T09:27:01.056ZDaniel Rico Campshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/DanielRicoCamps
<p>In fact, many people in Barcelona still call it "Central". Happy New Year.</p>
<p>In fact, many people in Barcelona still call it "Central". Happy New Year.</p> Thank you Daniel! I didn't k…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2013-12-31:2111060:Comment:490232013-12-31T20:54:53.229ZMonica Hallhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MonicaHall
<p>Thank you Daniel! I didn't know that the songs were attributed to Serqueira. When I first knew the library it was called the Biblioteca Central de Barcelona. They actually supplied me with a microfilm back in the 1970s but it is almost illegible and impossible to print out. The march of technology is indeed amazing. Have a great New Year.</p>
<p>Thank you Daniel! I didn't know that the songs were attributed to Serqueira. When I first knew the library it was called the Biblioteca Central de Barcelona. They actually supplied me with a microfilm back in the 1970s but it is almost illegible and impossible to print out. The march of technology is indeed amazing. Have a great New Year.</p> Now I begin to understand. Th…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2013-12-31:2111060:Comment:492192013-12-31T19:07:41.798ZDaniel Rico Campshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/DanielRicoCamps
<p>Now I begin to understand. The pieces in mensural notation are n.798 of Pedrell's catalogue (<a href="https://archive.org/stream/catlechdelabib02barc#page/52/mode/2up" target="_blank">vol. II, p. 53</a>). The songs "Surcaba en brazos de Paris" and "Mares montes vientos" do appear in another musical manuscript of the Biblioteca de Catalunya (<a href="http://cataleg.bnc.cat/search~S13*cat?/cM+738%2F16/cm+738+16/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=cm+738+16&1%2C1%2C" target="_blank">M.…</a></p>
<p>Now I begin to understand. The pieces in mensural notation are n.798 of Pedrell's catalogue (<a href="https://archive.org/stream/catlechdelabib02barc#page/52/mode/2up" target="_blank">vol. II, p. 53</a>). The songs "Surcaba en brazos de Paris" and "Mares montes vientos" do appear in another musical manuscript of the Biblioteca de Catalunya (<a href="http://cataleg.bnc.cat/search~S13*cat?/cM+738%2F16/cm+738+16/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=cm+738+16&1%2C1%2C" target="_blank">M. 738/16</a>), and are both attributed to the composer and guitarist Juan de Serqueira (d. 1726), who spent most of his life in Madrid, a further argument for the Castilian provenance of M. 691/2. The text "Surcaba..." is a <em>letrilla</em> of Eugenio Coloma (<em>Obras póstumas de</em> <em>poesía</em>, Madrid, 1702, p. 134).<em><br/></em></p>
<p>Thank you, Monica.</p> The Arxiu Històric de la Dipu…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2013-12-31:2111060:Comment:492162013-12-31T13:55:10.922ZMonica Hallhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MonicaHall
<p>The <em>Arxiu Històric de la Diputació de Barcelona </em> and the Biblioteca de Catalunya are the same library - it has changed its name a few times since Pedrell compiled his catalogue 100 years ago. There are (not surprisngly) quite a few other errors in Pedrell's catalogue but it is still a useful source of information..The manuscript actually consists of several unrelated documents bound together. As matter of interest the first piece in mensural notation has Castilian cifras added to…</p>
<p>The <em>Arxiu Històric de la Diputació de Barcelona </em> and the Biblioteca de Catalunya are the same library - it has changed its name a few times since Pedrell compiled his catalogue 100 years ago. There are (not surprisngly) quite a few other errors in Pedrell's catalogue but it is still a useful source of information..The manuscript actually consists of several unrelated documents bound together. As matter of interest the first piece in mensural notation has Castilian cifras added to the voice part which suggests it might be of Castilian rather than Catalan provenance.</p> Thank you, Giovanni, speciall…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2013-12-30:2111060:Comment:492632013-12-30T14:10:35.515ZDaniel Rico Campshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/DanielRicoCamps
<p>Thank you, Giovanni, specially for sharing the original (I didn't realise before that the pdfs were sent by you). I thought that the manuscript was in the Diputació Archive because I saw the seal of that institution stamped on it, and I've not been able to find it with signature 691-2 in the BCN catalogue. I was just looking for the manuscript record in order to see if there is some reference to its provenance, but don't worry, I'll contact with Ms Casals. </p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Thank you, Giovanni, specially for sharing the original (I didn't realise before that the pdfs were sent by you). I thought that the manuscript was in the Diputació Archive because I saw the seal of that institution stamped on it, and I've not been able to find it with signature 691-2 in the BCN catalogue. I was just looking for the manuscript record in order to see if there is some reference to its provenance, but don't worry, I'll contact with Ms Casals. </p>
<p>Best wishes</p> Dear Thomas, my belated thank…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2013-12-30:2111060:Comment:491262013-12-30T10:08:04.950ZDaniel Rico Campshttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/DanielRicoCamps
<p>Dear Thomas, my belated thanks for sharing this little but tasty repertoire. Just a precision: if I'm not mistaken, the original manuscript is not preserved in the <em>Biblioteca Nacional de Catalunya</em>, but in the <em>Arxiu Històric de la Diputació de Barcelona</em>. It is briefly described (not without some errors) by Felip Pedrell in his <em>Catàleg de la Biblioteca musical de la Diputació de Barcelona</em>, published in 1908 (…</p>
<p>Dear Thomas, my belated thanks for sharing this little but tasty repertoire. Just a precision: if I'm not mistaken, the original manuscript is not preserved in the <em>Biblioteca Nacional de Catalunya</em>, but in the <em>Arxiu Històric de la Diputació de Barcelona</em>. It is briefly described (not without some errors) by Felip Pedrell in his <em>Catàleg de la Biblioteca musical de la Diputació de Barcelona</em>, published in 1908 (<a href="https://archive.org/stream/catlechdelabib01barc#page/98/mode/2up" target="_blank">p. 98, n. 73</a>). </p>
<p>Feliz año nuevo,</p>
<p>Daniel</p> Danke für das Interesse an de…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2013-06-26:2111060:Comment:453022013-06-26T06:38:09.678ZThomas Schmitthttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/ThomasSchmitt
<p>Danke für das Interesse an den Stücken. Übrigens, das <em>Preludio</em> kannst du <a href="http://thomasschmitt.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/1_anonimo_preludio1.mp3" target="_blank">hier</a> hören.</p>
<p>Saludos,</p>
<p>Thomas</p>
<p>Danke für das Interesse an den Stücken. Übrigens, das <em>Preludio</em> kannst du <a href="http://thomasschmitt.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/1_anonimo_preludio1.mp3" target="_blank">hier</a> hören.</p>
<p>Saludos,</p>
<p>Thomas</p>