Building info? - Early Guitars and Vihuela2024-03-28T20:25:02Zhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/2111060:Topic:1604?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI am trying to do my own desi…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-08-02:2111060:Comment:25412008-08-02T04:49:50.541ZFreihttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/Frei
I am trying to do my own design right now. The theme will be hearts. Still a little rough, but I'm getting an idea of how to simplify it.
I am trying to do my own design right now. The theme will be hearts. Still a little rough, but I'm getting an idea of how to simplify it. I made the roses for my 4c-gu…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-08-01:2111060:Comment:25212008-08-01T18:33:04.521ZWaling Tiersmahttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/Waling
I made the roses for my 4c-guitars from a design that I found on Oliver Wandsworth's website.<br />
On the computer I scaled the pictures to the size required for my instrument. The patterns for the 2 layers are in different colors so I was able to print them separately quite easily.<br />
The prints were miror-images of the original.<br />
I glued (with as little glue as possible) the images to the back of the parchment and cut it out along the pattern. The resulting 2 layers were glued together after carefully…
I made the roses for my 4c-guitars from a design that I found on Oliver Wandsworth's website.<br />
On the computer I scaled the pictures to the size required for my instrument. The patterns for the 2 layers are in different colors so I was able to print them separately quite easily.<br />
The prints were miror-images of the original.<br />
I glued (with as little glue as possible) the images to the back of the parchment and cut it out along the pattern. The resulting 2 layers were glued together after carefully removing the paper. Result is quite good. It took approx. 8 hours per rose of 2 layers.<br />
(Apart from one little incident.... With the second rose it was a bit hard to get off the paper. Afterwards I tried to iron the parchment to flatten it. ONE SHOULD NOT DO THAT. Parchment shrinks heavily under heath! I hade to cut a new one.)<br />
See the <a href="http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://guitarra-renacentista.blogspot.com/2006/12/27-december-rozet.html&usg=ALkJrhgFA-wmwaqPouDlcOgqu0uND8Zczg">post about the rose</a> on my weblog (automatic translation from dutch by google)<br />
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In my vihuela I made a rose following the same design, but of parchment and pear. Wow, that has alot of informa…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-04:2111060:Comment:16912008-07-04T17:42:52.691ZFreihttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/Frei
Wow, that has alot of information. The Renaissance guitar shows a good one.
Wow, that has alot of information. The Renaissance guitar shows a good one. see larry d brown's online no…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-04:2111060:Comment:16872008-07-04T12:26:43.687Zcristina gutierrezhttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/cristinagutierrez
see larry d brown's online notes at <a href="http://www.cincinnatiearlymusic.com">www.cincinnatiearlymusic.com</a>
see larry d brown's online notes at <a href="http://www.cincinnatiearlymusic.com">www.cincinnatiearlymusic.com</a> Casting them in paper? Assumi…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-03:2111060:Comment:16432008-07-03T10:52:43.643ZMichael. N.http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MichaelN
Casting them in paper? Assuming that casting paper is possible (I'm not convinced) why do you like the idea better? I fear you may be looking for a problem that doesn't exist or you are trying to re-invent the wheel.<br />
If you want to simplify it then just do a fretted wood type without parchment. Search in U-tube for 'Vihuela' and you will see my fretted wood rosette. Simple, elegant and rather like music it doesn't have to be complex to be valid.<br />
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Keep with the GAL dimensions.
Casting them in paper? Assuming that casting paper is possible (I'm not convinced) why do you like the idea better? I fear you may be looking for a problem that doesn't exist or you are trying to re-invent the wheel.<br />
If you want to simplify it then just do a fretted wood type without parchment. Search in U-tube for 'Vihuela' and you will see my fretted wood rosette. Simple, elegant and rather like music it doesn't have to be complex to be valid.<br />
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Keep with the GAL dimensions. Wow, she's pretty good. How a…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-03:2111060:Comment:16412008-07-03T05:42:25.641ZFreihttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/Frei
Wow, she's pretty good. How about casting them in paper? I like that idea better.<br />
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I'm looking at some fruitwood for bridges, what is a good dimension for the rough blank? 5 course (GAL plans) Is 1"X1"X6" a good size for rough wood? and how thick is the neck at the heel, final thickness....<br />
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Thank all!! =)
Wow, she's pretty good. How about casting them in paper? I like that idea better.<br />
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I'm looking at some fruitwood for bridges, what is a good dimension for the rough blank? 5 course (GAL plans) Is 1"X1"X6" a good size for rough wood? and how thick is the neck at the heel, final thickness....<br />
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Thank all!! =) Oliver Wadsworth sells some t…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-02:2111060:Comment:16302008-07-02T23:06:14.630ZMichael. N.http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MichaelN
Oliver Wadsworth sells some templates for Parchment rosettes. I've made a few and can assure you they are a LOT of work, especially since you really need to make masses of punches for the various cut outs. Alternately go to Parchmentroses.com and get Elena to make you one - her prices may seem high but after you've made one of those things you'll be left wondering how she manages to make them for so little. Her waiting time is around 3 months.
Oliver Wadsworth sells some templates for Parchment rosettes. I've made a few and can assure you they are a LOT of work, especially since you really need to make masses of punches for the various cut outs. Alternately go to Parchmentroses.com and get Elena to make you one - her prices may seem high but after you've made one of those things you'll be left wondering how she manages to make them for so little. Her waiting time is around 3 months. The Crane site shows him buil…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-02:2111060:Comment:16282008-07-02T22:21:28.628ZFreihttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/Frei
The Crane site shows him building one, he is quite amazing. I will be building the simplified version of this, use a 15' bowl for the back, flat top etc. Adi, and Mahogany most likely. Contrasting "ribs" will be routed in, stained a darker color I guess. Rosette inlays for striped spacing. (2 peice back - Im going to fake it.)<br />
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"Standard" bolt on neck. Sycamore? Looking now. Maybe Mahogany or Sapele,<br />
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For a mold he used a foam plastic, and carved it, very nice, quite amazing. It foams up over…
The Crane site shows him building one, he is quite amazing. I will be building the simplified version of this, use a 15' bowl for the back, flat top etc. Adi, and Mahogany most likely. Contrasting "ribs" will be routed in, stained a darker color I guess. Rosette inlays for striped spacing. (2 peice back - Im going to fake it.)<br />
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"Standard" bolt on neck. Sycamore? Looking now. Maybe Mahogany or Sapele,<br />
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For a mold he used a foam plastic, and carved it, very nice, quite amazing. It foams up over the mold a bit and dries. I am familiar with this plastic stuff. He is amazing.<br />
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Ok here is the kicker, where do I find those parchment prints for the rosette things inside the guitar? He seems to have copies of them. Wow. Ah yes, that plan. I had it a…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-02:2111060:Comment:16262008-07-02T22:11:28.626ZMichael. N.http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/MichaelN
Ah yes, that plan. I had it at one time, lent it out and the rest is history. It's a 'round back' or Italian type Baroque guitar. I don't think Lunbergs book will help a great deal, at least not directly. Advisable to go with some type of mould for this, either solid or toast rack style. You could do a slightly simplified version and miss out the veneering on the back of the neck and the inlay that sits proud on the back. The sides can be made of one piece as opposed to strips. The number of…
Ah yes, that plan. I had it at one time, lent it out and the rest is history. It's a 'round back' or Italian type Baroque guitar. I don't think Lunbergs book will help a great deal, at least not directly. Advisable to go with some type of mould for this, either solid or toast rack style. You could do a slightly simplified version and miss out the veneering on the back of the neck and the inlay that sits proud on the back. The sides can be made of one piece as opposed to strips. The number of staves on the back can be reduced, you could even turn it into a flat back - then it becomes a true French Baroque guitar.<br />
Apart from that Crane site I don't know of any sources that explains the process of making such a beast. I'm afraid it's a case of using the plan, some knowledge of Lute construction all mixed in with modern guitar making. Hi, Oh, sorry, Baroque guitar…tag:earlyguitar.ning.com,2008-07-02:2111060:Comment:16212008-07-02T16:50:56.621ZFreihttp://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/Frei
Hi, Oh, sorry, Baroque guitars, I'm actually selling my 'beginners' lute kit for the baroque guitar plans, and if I have to, the big red book #2. I have seen Lundbergs book, and its pretty detailed.<br />
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<a href="http://www.luth.org/plans/pl27.jpg">http://www.luth.org/plans/pl27.jpg</a><br />
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The Baroque plans in the Crane site don't look historical, I think they were modified to turn it into steel string or something. The guitar looks pretty late also, and French?<br />
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I am just about to start another…
Hi, Oh, sorry, Baroque guitars, I'm actually selling my 'beginners' lute kit for the baroque guitar plans, and if I have to, the big red book #2. I have seen Lundbergs book, and its pretty detailed.<br />
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<a href="http://www.luth.org/plans/pl27.jpg">http://www.luth.org/plans/pl27.jpg</a><br />
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The Baroque plans in the Crane site don't look historical, I think they were modified to turn it into steel string or something. The guitar looks pretty late also, and French?<br />
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I am just about to start another drednought, but Im thinking I will go with Baroque guitar instead. The modern drednought shape seems to actually be a throwback to some of the Italian designs. =)